{"id":591,"date":"2012-08-12T01:48:15","date_gmt":"2012-08-11T23:48:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/shaareihoraah.org\/wordpress\/?p=591"},"modified":"2012-09-09T23:42:26","modified_gmt":"2012-09-09T21:42:26","slug":"toiveling-a-frozen-yogurt-machine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shaareihoraah.org\/?p=591","title":{"rendered":"Toiveling a Frozen Yogurt Machine"},"content":{"rendered":"

I was recently asked the following question:<\/span><\/p>\n

I am opening a yogurt shop without a hechsher<\/em><\/span><\/span> but would like to keep my product kosher. Do the frozen yogurt machines need to be <\/span>toiveled<\/span><\/em> or even any of the pieces that can be removed need to be <\/span>toiveled<\/span><\/em>?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Hatzlacha<\/span><\/em> on your new venture.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

This is a fascinating and difficult question. On one hand, assuming there are metal pieces coming in direct contact with the food being prepared, there should be an obligation to toivel<\/em><\/span><\/span> it <\/span>miD\u2019Oraisa<\/span><\/em>. Furthermore, unlike <\/span>kashering<\/span><\/em> where the primary concern relates to the impact of the utensil on the food, which would not be an issue when it is anyways not being sold as Kosher, <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em> is different. Since the primary obligation of <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em> is incumbent upon the user prior to his usage of the object, it should be irrelevant who the customers are. In this case, since a Jew, you, are intending to utilize this equipment, it should require <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

However, the Shulchan\u00a0Aruch<\/strong><\/span><\/span>Yoreh\u00a0Deah<\/span><\/em> 120:8 provides that only usage for preparing or serving food obligates <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em>, but a knife designated for cutting paper is exempt. The main question would be if we can classify preparing food exclusively for non-Jews as an exempt usage. I had the opportunity to present this question to <\/span>HaRav\u00a0Zalman\u00a0Nechemia Goldberg<\/span><\/strong>\u00a0(HaRav\u00a0Shlomo Zalamn\u00a0Auerbach zatzal\u2019s son-in-law and the former Av Beis\u00a0Din of the Rabbanut\u2019s Beis Din HaGadol) last week, and he found this logic a likely possibility. Unfortunately, we were unsuccessful in locating any source for such a distinction, and he was unwilling to commit to accepting the classification of solely gentile consumption as a non-food usage that would exempt it from <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em>. He repeated a number of times \u201cIt sounds good, but\u2026\u201d Even when I pressed him to take into account the Poskim who consider an electrical appliance an exempt item due to its connection to the ground, he remained noncommittal.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

In conclusion, it seems that you must toivel<\/em><\/span><\/span> whatever parts of the machinery are obligated in <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em>, but certainly without a <\/span>bracha<\/span><\/em>. Certainly, if you expect to occasionally eat the frozen yogurt yourself relying on your personal knowledge that it is truly Kosher, you are absolutely required to <\/span>toivel<\/span><\/em> it. If you wish to know which specific parts require <\/span>tevila<\/span><\/em>, you will have to send me a diagram or photo of the machine.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Addendum<\/h1>\n

 <\/p>\n

I sent this question to a number of acquaintances who work for various Kashrus organization to hear their policies. I received the following response from Rabbi Eli Gersten of the OU:<\/p>\n

The OU arranges a mechira of 2% of the machine to a non-Jew. And it is then borrowed\/rented back from the non-Jew.<\/p>\n

We write up a shtar and do various other kinyanim as well (Kesef, suddar, agav, chatzer, and situmta (handshake).<\/p>\n

The 2% is enough to create a shutfos but yet not enough that the non-Jew will decide to walk off the machine. It also makes for a manageable price.<\/p>\n

In restaurants there are many machines that require this eitza, because they are too heavy or they will break if toiveled.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

My Shver, Rabbi Reuven Drucker, the Rav of Agudath Israel of Edison\/Highland Park, NJ and Rabbinical Board member of the Vaad HaKashrus of Raritan Valley related to me that their policy is to require Tevilla even for large equipment. Only as a last resort will they rely upon a sale similar to the OU.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Rabbi Mordechai Frankel of the Star-K responded:<\/p>\n

As you mentioned, there are a number of sevoros to be lenient. The \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1\u05d9’ \u05e7\u05db \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9’ \u05dc\u05d8 writes –<\/p>\n

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Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach \u05e9\u05d5”\u05ea \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d7”\u05d1 \u05e1\u05d9’ \u05e1\u05d5 (\u05d5\u05e0\u05e9\u05de\u05d8 \u05d1\u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d7\u05d3\u05e9\u05d4) writes \u2013<\/p>\n

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Even though the Chachmas Odom and Reb Akiva Eiger don\u2019t seem to hold of this sevara, the Oruch Hashulchan and Minchas Shlomo are saying that this is the minhag.<\/p>\n

Furthermore, Rav Shlomo Zalman writes there \u2013<\/p>\n

\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d7\u05e9\u05de\u05dc, \u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05e6\u05e8\u05e3 \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05d1\u05dc\u05d0”\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d8\u05e2\u05d5\u05df \u05d8\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc \u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8 \u05ea\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5 \u05e9\u05dc \u05d4\u05db\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e9\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 \u05e2”\u05d9 \u05ea\u05e7\u05e2 \u05e2\u05dd \u05d4\u05e7\u05e8\u05e7\u05e2 \u05de\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e7\u05e8\u05e7\u05e2.<\/p>\n

He is ready to use the sevara that it needs to be plugged in as a tziruf.<\/p>\n

You mentioned that it a large kli which is more than 40 se\u2019ah may not require tevilah, but the beis kibbul of this kli does not hold that amount. Those who are meikel do so because a kli which is 40 se\u2019ah big is tofeis reshus le\u2019atzmo, so I don\u2019t think that the size of the bies kibul matters. See Rav Shlom Kluger \u05e9\u05d5”\u05ea \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05d8\u05e2\u05dd \u05d5\u05d3\u05e2\u05ea \u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5”\u05d2 \u05d7”\u05d1 \u05e1\u05d9’ \u05db\u05d1.<\/p>\n

Therefore, there are clearly sevaros lehakel.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

In response to my question what they would do l’Maaseh, I forwarded him the link from Shimon Rottenberg and he showed a picture of the machine to Rav Heinemann. His reply was:<\/p>\n

I showed it to Rabbi Heinemann, and he said that it is large and is not a kli seudah and does not need tevilah.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

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